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Elenna



Joined: 29 Aug 2007
Posts: 14

PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:30 pm    Post subject: Setting up Zero-Sum DKP

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I'm looking to set up a Zero-Sum DKP system, but my settings aren't quite right.

Here is a section of my log that is being parsed:
[Tue Apr 01 20:30:00 2007] *Event Helegrod - 0
[Tue Apr 01 20:30:00 2007] *Zone Helegrod
[Tue Apr 01 20:30:00 2007] *Att Maera [46 Minstrel]
[Tue Apr 01 20:30:00 2007] *Att Maighdeann [46 Champion]
[Tue Apr 01 20:30:00 2007] *Att Fjalar [50 Guardian]
[Tue Apr 01 20:30:00 2007] *Att Loth [49 Captain]
[Tue Apr 01 20:30:00 2007] *Loot Loth - Shield of Sparkle - 4
[Tue Apr 01 20:30:00 2007] *Loot Fjalar - Boots of Might - 2
[Tue Apr 01 20:30:00 2007] *Loot Maera - Book of Song, Page 2 - 3

DKPLP says that 9 DKP went out (spent on Loot) but that 0 DKP came in.
No adjustments are made to account for the spent DKP.

Here are my settings, in the hopes that someone can help point out what I've done wrong Smile

Server> Uploads
Day Representation - None
Reward Interval Representation - Raids
Event Representation - Raids
Loot Representation - Events
High Participation Bonus - Individual Adjustment
Compress Before Uploading - No
Upload Rewards with 0 value - Yes
Upload Events with 0 value - Yes
Upload Loot with 0 value - Yes

DKP> Initial Values
Default Weight - 1
Initial Weight (First) - Blank
Initial Weight (Last) - Blank
Initial Reward Modifier - 0
Initial Bonus Per Day - 0
Default Bonus Per Interval - 0
Bonus per Interval (from first) - Blank
Bonus per Interval (from last) - Blank
Default Bonus per Participant - 0
Bonus per Participant (from first) - Blank
Bonus per Participant (from last) - Blank
Added Participant Bonus per Minute - 0

DPK> DKP System
Zero-Sum - Per Interval
Global Bonus - Off
Reward System - Event Based
Guaranteed DKP per Participant - 0
Guaranteed DKP in per Day - 0
Weights Affect ZSDKP - Yes
Weights Affect Global - Yes
High Participation Threshold - 100%
High Participation Bonus - 0

Parsing> Settings
Parse Mode - Classic
Date in UTC - No
Action w/ Unknowns - Add
Day Separator - 6
Hour offset - 0
Minimam reward interval participant - 1
Default Reward Interval Padding - 0
Reward Interval Padding - 120

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Lokorin
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:11 am    Post subject: Re: Setting up Zero-Sum DKP

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The problem is that events are not included in the zero-sum calculations, only reward intervals are.

What kind of DKP-system are you looking for? Perhaps events are not especially well-suited for your needs.

P.S. exporting your configuration using "Export -> Configuration" in the menu will save you lots of typing. Wink

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Elenna



Joined: 29 Aug 2007
Posts: 14

PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Setting up Zero-Sum DKP

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Lokorin wrote:
The problem is that events are not included in the zero-sum calculations, only reward intervals are.

What kind of DKP-system are you looking for? Perhaps events are not especially well-suited for your needs.


Well, I'm not exactly sure what I'm looking for Smile We are going to start an multi-guild alliance for more casual gamers, so I want to do a few tests with various DKP systems to see which one would be perceived as most "fair" to casual gamers.

So I'd like to start out by looking at the ZeroSum DKP.

So what would I need to change in my setup to make it calculate in "reward intervals" instead of "events"? Would I also need to make changes to the dates/times in my logs?

Lokorin wrote:
P.S. exporting your configuration using "Export -> Configuration" in the menu will save you lots of typing. Wink


Thank you! I did see that option, but wasn't sure which would be best Smile I'll know for next time! Embarassed

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Lokorin
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Setting up Zero-Sum DKP

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Elenna wrote:
So what would I need to change in my setup to make it calculate in "reward intervals" instead of "events"? Would I also need to make changes to the dates/times in my logs?


Reward intervals reward based on the time spent raiding, rather than whether one was present at a single point in time. The change needed would be to regularly log the participation every x minute (or log whenever someone joins or leaves).

Another way would be to manually split the DKP across the events if event-based zero-sum is wanted (assigning it manually to the events).

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Elenna



Joined: 29 Aug 2007
Posts: 14

PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:14 pm    Post subject:

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Ahhh, I was hoping that it could be done per-event.

I'm a little confused on this... isn't the purpose of a Zero-Sum so that points are awarded for others purchasing items? If we award points for time spent raiding, doesn't that introduce external DKP? Or am I missing something obvious? Embarassed

Would it be possible to give everyone 0 DKP every 15 minutes (or every minute), for this to work?

And what would the log file need to capture? LOTRO doesn't have a log file, so I'm up to creating my own.

If I wanted to award DKP every 15 minutes (it would be 0 DKP, but still...) would I need to have the log file capture attendance every 15 minutes?

So, the log file would need to have something like:

[Mon Sep 3 20:00:00 2007] *Here Elenna
...
...
[Mon Sep 3 20:15:00 2007] *Here Elenna

etc?

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Lokorin
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:14 am    Post subject:

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Elenna wrote:
I'm a little confused on this... isn't the purpose of a Zero-Sum so that points are awarded for others purchasing items? If we award points for time spent raiding, doesn't that introduce external DKP?


The amount of points rewarded for time spent is equal to the amount spent on loot.

The reason that such a workaround would need to be used is that DKPLP was foremost designed for time-based DKP. Zero-sum was hence only implemented for the time side, while events were tacked on later to allow hybrid systems.

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Would it be possible to give everyone 0 DKP every 15 minutes (or every minute), for this to work?


This would replace events, so awarding 0 DKP would mean no DKP at all.

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So, the log file would need to have something like:

[Mon Sep 3 20:00:00 2007] *Here Elenna
...
...
[Mon Sep 3 20:15:00 2007] *Here Elenna

etc?


Yes, or something like this (where you only note when someone joined or left).

Code:
[Mon Sep 3 20:00:00 2007] *Join Elenna
[Mon Sep 3 20:00:00 2007] *Join Bar
[Mon Sep 3 20:13:14 2007] *Join Foo
[Mon Sep 3 20:18:23 2007] *Leave Elenna

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Elenna



Joined: 29 Aug 2007
Posts: 14

PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:21 pm    Post subject:

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I have it working as a time-based interval... maybe you can help me see what I'm doing wrong?

I'm attaching my config this time, to save my fingers! Smile

Here is my log file. It parses well, gives people credit for the full 30 minutes, and records the 6DKP spend on loot. However, it isn't donig the Zero-Sum thing.

I'm sure I'm just overlooking something quite obvious Embarassed

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[Tue Apr 01 20:30:00 2007] *Event Helegrod - 0
[Tue Apr 01 20:30:00 2007] *Zone Helegrod
[Tue Apr 01 20:30:00 2007] *Start
[Tue Apr 01 20:30:00 2007] *Att Maera [46 Minstrel]
[Tue Apr 01 20:30:00 2007] *Att Maighdeann [46 Champion]
[Tue Apr 01 20:30:00 2007] *Att Fjalar [50 Guardian]
[Tue Apr 01 20:30:00 2007] *Att Loth [49 Captain]
[Tue Apr 01 20:30:00 2007] *Loot Loth - Shield of Sparkle - 4
[Tue Apr 01 20:30:00 2007] *Loot Fjalar - Boots of Might - 2
[Tue Apr 01 20:30:00 2007] *Loot Maera - Book of Song, Page 2 - 3
[Tue Apr 01 21:00:00 2007] *Att Maera [46 Minstrel]
[Tue Apr 01 21:00:00 2007] *Att Maighdeann [46 Champion]
[Tue Apr 01 21:00:00 2007] *Att Fjalar [50 Guardian]
[Tue Apr 01 21:00:00 2007] *Att Loth [49 Captain]
[Tue Apr 01 21:00:00 2007] *End



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Lokorin
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:51 pm    Post subject:

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Change to the following:

DKP -> DKP System -> Reward system: Time based
DKP -> Initial Values -> Initial DKP reward modifier: 1

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